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DirtyE
04-05-2008, 11:23 AM
O.K. I'm getting some mixed info on which is the best gear ratio for my boat, 26 billfisher with ad41, I have A4 props, I would like to be able to cruise at 20kts, so lets hear it from some blackman experts. Thanks Erik. 1.95 or 1.78?

Knot Now
04-06-2008, 08:49 PM
I have a 97 Billfisher with 41P with 1.78 gears. I run tweeked A3s and she will cruise at 20 kts when she has a clean bottom and half a load of fuel at 3000 RPM to 3300 depending on the seas.

I have been told that the 41P has a little more power than the 41A.

DirtyE
04-06-2008, 09:15 PM
Are the 1.78 suppose to be stronger than the 1.95, someone mentioned that in another post. I will need a new outdrive so trying to figure which way to go. Erik

Knot Now
04-07-2008, 06:28 PM
I have read that also.
It is used with the higher HP engines ... i.e. 230 HP

NoSlack
04-07-2008, 07:08 PM
Volvo offer 3 different gear ratios for our vintage DP drives. 2.30-1, 1.95-1 and 1.78-1

The idea is to match the right gear ratio to your horse power so you can stay in the middle of the prop range i.e A0 through A10. Ideally you want to be running A5s, be able to hit max RPM fully loaded and not have the engine temp rise above the manufactures guild lines.

Most diesels with less than 150 HP run the 2.30-1 gears, 150 to 220 HP run the 1.95-1 and the higher HP engines can push the 1.78-1 gears. A step change in gear usually equates to a 2 pitch change in prop to get the same results. 1.95 gears ans A4 props will be very close to 1.78 gears and A2 prop for the same HP engine without compromising max RPM or engine temp.

Staying with the 1.95 gears and testing out the next higher pitch prop is a lot cheaper than changing gears and starting over on finding the right pitch prop for the boat. Over the years most of the 26' with the AD41 have run the 1.95 with A3, A4 or A5 props. No reason to go away from what's been working for the fleet for so long.

Mike

DOGHOUSE26
04-07-2008, 10:30 PM
Mike you hit it right on the head with the best explanation I've ever heard or read.

DirtyE
04-08-2008, 08:01 AM
well I'm getting a new outdrive so if there is a time to change now is the time, my insurance is going to replace my broken gears so I ask what you experienced blackman guys would suggjest. Erik

DOGHOUSE26
04-08-2008, 09:34 AM
I would suggest sticking with the 1.95s and A4s since yours is an older model with the original engine.

Wa Mei
04-08-2008, 09:46 AM
I would suggest sticking with the 1.95s and A4s since yours is an older model with the original engine.

After reading NoSlack's post, I also think the 1.95s and A4s is the best
choice. I have a DP-E 1.78 and A4 for my KAD43, but the engine is rated at 225hp. Keep in mind I run a 26' Skippy...buddy of mine run 1.95 and A4 on
his 41b rated at 200hp without any issues.

Btw, congrats on the new ride!

DOGHOUSE26
04-08-2008, 12:55 PM
After reading NoSlack's post, I also think the 1.95s and A4s is the best
choice. I have a DP-E 1.78 and A4 for my KAD43, but the engine is rated at 225hp. Keep in mind I run a 26' Skippy...buddy of mine run 1.95 and A4 on
his 41b rated at 200hp without any issues.

Btw, congrats on the new ride!

I think your Skippy might be a little lighter than a Billfisher and I think your boat comes up on plane much easier; the KAD 43 has enough HP to pull those 1.78s and pick up the additional speed at a lower RPM.

Mac Attack
04-08-2008, 07:21 PM
Erik:

Keep in mind that your boat was repowered in 92 with a 41B and a 1:95 outdrive. I would stick to the 1:95 and adjust your prop accordingly as suggested by the experts (me not included) on this forum. I found a couple more receipts and indeed the outdrive was rebuilt last year by a authorized Volvo repair shop here in MDR. I spoke to Karl who remembered it to be a 1:95 and he suggested as did Mike, (No Slack) that the 1:78 is used with the higher horsepower diesels. I also found the receipt for the u-joint service gone by John (Blackmans mechanic) he also noted that is was a 1:95. Both repairs were done last summer.


Mike

hijole
04-08-2008, 09:02 PM
Great job Mike.
You can't go wrong having John at Blackman's rebuild your OD. I should know but I don't know what gears I have. John replaced all of the gears after 2500 hours. He said it was time to replace them but the OD was in good shape. The shaft that comes outside the OD was worn down from the pressure of the seal. It was letting water in.
I run A3's.

DirtyE
04-09-2008, 10:08 AM
Well i believe we are going to stay with the 1.95, but volvo has the complete OD on back order, so we would have to put on a lower and go through the upper, 1.78 complete is available, it would be nice to get a all new OD, but I feel the 1.95 is probably the correct combo. Well with every answer a new question arises, I geuss I'm getting a real crash course in this boating thing. Thanks guys, Erik

Honeygirl
04-09-2008, 11:15 AM
What’s wrong with Zack's Outdrive it's a 1.95 and he's making you a smoking deal on it. You could just use the lower and sale the upper and save your self a lot of cash. I know the drive was used less than a year before he re-powered. Zack is religious about changing his fluids every hundred hours.

DirtyE
04-09-2008, 11:34 AM
theres nothing wrong with zacks he may still be a option, but its in insurances hands and its at the repair shop now getting a qoute, so I goota wait to hear from, state farm, Zack I will call you back when I get more info. Erik