What Diesel Package?

Hey guys, I haven't chimed in for a while. I've just been lurking. I have a 23 Billfisher (1983). I have always liked the way my Blackman handled over my buddy's 24 Skipjack (1973). However, since he repowered the Skipjack with a 240 hp Yannmar with a Bravo III duoprop, (I hate saying this) I find myself enjoying the Skipjacks ride more. The diesel transformed his old Skipjack into a fine machine.

In any event, if I was to repower my 23 Billfisher, what would be the best available package out there? I Can't have a Skipjack doing me like this...


Larry - Secret Spot

Larry,

I'm sure Mike will have a recommendation for you. I have the 26' Billfisher and repowered 2 years ago with the AD-41P. I couldn't be happier with it. Unfortunately Volvo doesn't make that engine anymore. Maybe the newer "D" series Volvo would work well. I agree that with the older boats, a repower can make them just like new again assuming they are kept up.

Good luck,
Scott

Take a look at the new Volvo D3-190. 400 pounds lighter and 40 HP more power than my current setup looks like a good combo to me. If You're gas now, it looks like it will be small enough to fit in the existing box. If you're diesel now you could reclaim a foot of deck space by down sizing the engine box.

Mike

http://www.volvo.com/NR/rdonlyres/3E...D3_DPSEVCC.pdf

There ya go Larry. I knew Mike would have a good answer. Now let's see the Secret Spot with a new engine/outdrive soon.

Scott

Thanks guys, I knew the 190hp was coming. I wonder if there is a jury out on it yet? Spending that kind of money on new technology scares me. This is a one shot deal for me and I would feel a lot better if I knew the D3 was going to perform and show the dependability of the older diesel packages?

Thanks again,

Larry - Secret Spot

CHA CHING!! Maybe 30g's out the door? Suppose you're a plugger that will crusie at 15 knots and whose favorite tool is a cresent wrench? All the new diesel engines are new technology to meet new clean air standards. My 40a keeps on tickin'..........rt

I have a 23 outerbanks with a KAD32. Awesome could not be more stoked.
20-21 kt cruise loaded,@3200 rpm. 22kts 1/2 fuel tank. Ave consumption is 3 Gal per hr. The 40 series are to big for the 23 unless it was originally set up for it. Your boat with the 350 will perform like a gem with the 32. My buddy put a D4 in his 23 Parker and he gets about the same performance as the 32. He does have a little faster cruise, but burns the same amount of fuel. He did have signifigant probs with the computer controll module.

Let me know if you have any questions

Josh

Check that please. 3 gal per hour? How about 3 miles per gal. If you do 20 kts are you telling me that you get 7miles per gal.? Don't think so. If you did, you have a new invention there. 3 gals per hour means you are only going 9kts or less. You said you cruise at 20.
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Larry, I too had a 23 with a kad32. Mine was an express. Awesome motor and what a great combo!! I agree its scary to buy one of the new Dseries not knowing what to expect or how there going to last. Less cubic inches and more HP is very scary. I would tend to think they wont last as long, but time will tell. The other thing thats really scary is that they have had a lot of problems with the electronic controls on the kad44 and thats what all the Dseries have. Havent heard of any problems yet, but there arent enough out I dont think.

It works out to 3.68 gals per hour at 20 kts. That is an average for a trip . taking into consideration trolling and ideling.

That sounds about right with your ideling and slow trolling. If you went from point A to point B at 20kts you probably would have about a little over 2 miles per gal. I plan all trips at how much fuel I use by miles per gal. not by gals. per hour. Can eventually get you into trouble if you make say a 120 mile run south for tuna then run back. Like to plan my gas usage not taking into consideration of trolling and short stops but by distance traveled. I feel more comfortable that way.

Below is one corespondence I had with an outfit up in Oregon. I was looking for pricing and feedback regarding the same:

Thank you for your inquiry. The information below was provided by Volvo Penta. It looks like the D3 could work. The total cost for the package is $22,661. This includes the prop set and single station gauges.



The D3-190a DPS in a 23' 5000lb boat show a speed about 40.5mph with F6's. Realistic weight with fuel, gear, people etc. is more like 7000lbs, which slows it down to 32.5mph with F4's.

A 5.7Gi at 280hp with a DPS shows 46mph with F4's. And at 7000lbs more like 36mph



Thanks again,

Renée Dykes, General Manager

Cook Engine & Company, Inc.

(503)289-8466 (503)286-2836 Fax



-----Original Message-----
From: res0vhgr [mailto:res0vhgr@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:58 PM
To: sales@cookengine.com
Subject: Volvo D3 190 DP



What are you offering the Volvo D3 DP package for ($). Does the package include controls, gauges, and harness?



Also, I have a 23 Blackman Billfisher. The dry weight is approximately 4600 lbs. I presently have a 1995 Volvo 5.7 GSI DP approx. 260 hp. Will the D3 190 DP package work for this type of application?



Thanks,



Larry

Those are some pretty impresive numbers for a diesel. Are your numbers close to what he estimated with the 5.7 gas engine?

Mike

Mike, my performance has been closer to the second more realistic set of numbers for a gas package. I have opened the Secret Spot up to approximately 34-35mph in optimal conditions. However, speed is not what I am looking for. Running conservatively with a top speed 22kts at approximately 2800 rpms, I avg. less that 2 miles a gallon. Additionally, I found diesels to provide a lot more stability and low end power, while my gasser flucuates (rpm & speed) considerably in bumby stuff and a following sea. I would like to get my mpg up around 3. That would increase my range at least 33%.

Larry

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Originally Posted by Secret Spot

Below is one corespondence I had with an outfit up in Oregon. I was looking for pricing and feedback regarding the same:

Thank you for your inquiry. The information below was provided by Volvo Penta. It looks like the D3 could work. The total cost for the package is $22,661. This includes the prop set and single station gauges.



The D3-190a DPS in a 23' 5000lb boat show a speed about 40.5mph with F6's. Realistic weight with fuel, gear, people etc. is more like 7000lbs, which slows it down to 32.5mph with F4's.

A 5.7Gi at 280hp with a DPS shows 46mph with F4's. And at 7000lbs more like 36mph



Thanks again,

Renée Dykes, General Manager

Cook Engine & Company, Inc.

(503)289-8466 (503)286-2836 Fax



-----Original Message-----
From: res0vhgr [mailto:res0vhgr@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:58 PM
To: sales@cookengine.com
Subject: Volvo D3 190 DP



What are you offering the Volvo D3 DP package for ($). Does the package include controls, gauges, and harness?



Also, I have a 23 Blackman Billfisher. The dry weight is approximately 4600 lbs. I presently have a 1995 Volvo 5.7 GSI DP approx. 260 hp. Will the D3 190 DP package work for this type of application?



Thanks,



Larry

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I talked with my trusted Volvo parts source, McDonnell Marince in Connecticutt specifically about the D3 engine and its longevity. They said it's a light weight car engine, good for about 3,000 hours and not rebuildable.

I hate to sound so ignorant! But I am... So, why do fresh water cooled engines(gas or diesel), in a boat, operated at low rpms, last far less hours than the same engine in a car or truck under stop and go heavy load conditions?

On my new Ford F250 PSD I check the hourmeter frequently for a miles/hours ratio and it looks like 45,000 = 1000 hrs. This is by running an engine @ 2200 RPM cruise when the redline is 3300. Our boats cruise @ 3000-3400 with a 3900 redline. We're running our trucks @ 66% every day, our boats are run @ 80% maybe once a week average. 5000 hrs on a PSD would equal approx 225,000 with this ratio; I've had 2 with over 305,000 still running strong! It's hard to get 5000 out of a high rev marine diesel. I think we just push a heavier load with a Blackman!

Some boats are carring more weight than others (jeff):p

We all look pretty FAT to me.